I respect Regavim and their fight. It looks like they only the ones who put fight against these despicable “people”. But, right now when a president of the high court Amit has not been elected by the rule of law how his and other Judes verdicts can be carried out? The Minister of Justice refused to recognise Amit and his rulings. What is going to happen?
And by the way I was not surprised that these unlawful hamlets have not been knocked down because all ministers of defence have been so lefty!
"Yet in a recent conversation I had with Havakook, the anthropologist himself contradicted the state’s account. When I first told him about how the court’s ruling was based, among other things, on his book, he knew nothing about it. More importantly, he called into question the state’s interpretation of his study and its use to justify the expulsions."
Sometimes, Israel declares an area a military zone in order to prevent people from living there., not because it is necessary for the military. The desire for continuity between Jerusalem and kiryat Gat is the reason Sharon did not want people living there and forcefully evacuated the people who had lived there for centuries.
And I suppose you are against a sovereign state determining land use over land that was given to their exclusive control by the Oslo Accords? After all, the land in question (in Area C) was Israeli state land as agreed to in a contract signed by Arafat on behalf of the Palestinian Arabs). They could have declared it a national park for all that it matters. It would still not have been zoned for residences. And even if it was zoned for residences, the construction of homes would have had to have gone through a licensing process before beginning to build.
And they lied about these constructions having been in their families for generations. Did you not read the article?
Just for fun, let us say that Canada or France or any other country had decided that state land was not to be used for residential purposes but people built homes on it in any case, in fact second homes and they had permanent homes in a nearby town -- would you say that country was acting inhumanely when it destroyed those second homes?
Sheri, I like your posts and agree with most of what you write but you may not be aware of the Israeli systematic destruction of homes in the Yatta Area where an ancient people lived in caves, like in biblical times and peacefully tended their herds. these people were not active in terrorism or any kind of politics and had lived in the area for a long time.
Sharon wanted continuity between Jerusalem and Kiryat Gat. the first step in vacating people is to declare the area a military zone thereby justifying removing the people, ostensibly for their own safety. This is not an appropriate area for military practice, as an area in an uninhabited area in the Negev would be. There is definitely a problem with declaring an inhabited area a military zone. All the more more heartbreaking if the residents are peaceful, poor farmers.
I am an Israeli and I support Israel's right to exist but for the past 20 years we have had a very right wing government, we are being ruled by those who assassinated Rabin and destroyed the Oslo Accords. The destruction of israel is where this government and its messianic supporters are leading us. Decent people will leave Israel if this continues and it will become a third world theocracy if this continues.
anybody who cares about Israel as it is should join in the struggle against these leaders and seek a way for peace and coexistence, not bullying and destruction.
But you are wrong about this area being where an ancient people lived in caves -- that is not true about the specific area. The court that usually decides in favour of Arab land claims decided in this case that the land claims are false, based on various pieces of evidence. I read the entire court protocol and can attest to that. And that is what I wrote in my article.
It doesn't matter what use Israel wants to put the land to -- it is Israeli land according to Oslo. You say that the current government is destroying Oslo and if you want Oslo to survive and progress to the next step intended, then you should be supporting the law as applied according to the Oslo Accords. And supporting Oslo means supporting the division of powers on Areas A, B, and C. The squatters in this particular area are just that --- squatters. And they have permanent homes in legal towns with all the amenities provided in legal towns: water, electricity, roads, etc.
Anybody who cares about Israel should join in the struggle against the lies.
OK So I looked it up and indeed it is in the Hebron area. I used to drive through this area in the late 90s and early 2000s. I live in Jerusalem and my mother lived in Arad so this was the shortest route from my home to my mother's. I remember the cave dwellings there and the people herding their sheep. It was like driving into biblical times. This area is near Yatta. These were very simple people who had no involvement in politics or terror. Their homes were simple, often additions built at their cave entrance. I visited these people with an Israeli-Palestinian group that brought them water and food and clothes. Their wells had been destroyed by the army. settlers began herding their sheep in the area and took over the one remaining well. Whatever their legal status was, these people lived there for ages and were expelled because of Sharon's plans. It was probably declared a miitary zone for that reason.
you know, if they had been offered some kind of compensation it would have looked different. The people I met had literally nothing but the clothes on their backs. I am not proud of what was done to them.
The cave dwellings were temporary dwellings during the growing season or when they were grazing far from their “mother villages” as was noted by the judges in the court verdict. I have visited the area several times and researched it. You brought them water as part of propaganda against Israel (see the link below).
They had running water in their homes in the legal towns in which they lived permanently.
That is where they are going back to.
They DID NOT live there for ages and they were not expelled because of Sharon’s plans. How many times must I repeat that? The land was Israeli public land under full Israeli control. Israeli could have just as easily set it up to be a public park but they set it up as a firing zone, before which nobody lived there. Even with that, they allowed the Arabs to graze and plant seasonal crops on Shabbat and Jewish holidays and in coordination with the IDF so that they could do so safely. That is more than the IDF had to do.
The settlers living in communities in the area were there legally – these were not hilltop youth illegal outposts.
Uch. Depressing. So much attention on scoundrels.
I respect Regavim and their fight. It looks like they only the ones who put fight against these despicable “people”. But, right now when a president of the high court Amit has not been elected by the rule of law how his and other Judes verdicts can be carried out? The Minister of Justice refused to recognise Amit and his rulings. What is going to happen?
And by the way I was not surprised that these unlawful hamlets have not been knocked down because all ministers of defence have been so lefty!
we have to see how things go once the attorney-general will have been fired. That should happen in the coming month.
I wonder what drives these anti israeli NGO's. Receiving donations is big business...
Thanks, Sheri! Continued lies…worse than leftism, it is evil.
https://www.972mag.com/anthropologist-masafer-yatta-firing-zone/
"Yet in a recent conversation I had with Havakook, the anthropologist himself contradicted the state’s account. When I first told him about how the court’s ruling was based, among other things, on his book, he knew nothing about it. More importantly, he called into question the state’s interpretation of his study and its use to justify the expulsions."
Sometimes, Israel declares an area a military zone in order to prevent people from living there., not because it is necessary for the military. The desire for continuity between Jerusalem and kiryat Gat is the reason Sharon did not want people living there and forcefully evacuated the people who had lived there for centuries.
And I suppose you are against a sovereign state determining land use over land that was given to their exclusive control by the Oslo Accords? After all, the land in question (in Area C) was Israeli state land as agreed to in a contract signed by Arafat on behalf of the Palestinian Arabs). They could have declared it a national park for all that it matters. It would still not have been zoned for residences. And even if it was zoned for residences, the construction of homes would have had to have gone through a licensing process before beginning to build.
And they lied about these constructions having been in their families for generations. Did you not read the article?
Just for fun, let us say that Canada or France or any other country had decided that state land was not to be used for residential purposes but people built homes on it in any case, in fact second homes and they had permanent homes in a nearby town -- would you say that country was acting inhumanely when it destroyed those second homes?
Sheri, I like your posts and agree with most of what you write but you may not be aware of the Israeli systematic destruction of homes in the Yatta Area where an ancient people lived in caves, like in biblical times and peacefully tended their herds. these people were not active in terrorism or any kind of politics and had lived in the area for a long time.
Sharon wanted continuity between Jerusalem and Kiryat Gat. the first step in vacating people is to declare the area a military zone thereby justifying removing the people, ostensibly for their own safety. This is not an appropriate area for military practice, as an area in an uninhabited area in the Negev would be. There is definitely a problem with declaring an inhabited area a military zone. All the more more heartbreaking if the residents are peaceful, poor farmers.
I am an Israeli and I support Israel's right to exist but for the past 20 years we have had a very right wing government, we are being ruled by those who assassinated Rabin and destroyed the Oslo Accords. The destruction of israel is where this government and its messianic supporters are leading us. Decent people will leave Israel if this continues and it will become a third world theocracy if this continues.
anybody who cares about Israel as it is should join in the struggle against these leaders and seek a way for peace and coexistence, not bullying and destruction.
I am glad you like my posts.
But you are wrong about this area being where an ancient people lived in caves -- that is not true about the specific area. The court that usually decides in favour of Arab land claims decided in this case that the land claims are false, based on various pieces of evidence. I read the entire court protocol and can attest to that. And that is what I wrote in my article.
It doesn't matter what use Israel wants to put the land to -- it is Israeli land according to Oslo. You say that the current government is destroying Oslo and if you want Oslo to survive and progress to the next step intended, then you should be supporting the law as applied according to the Oslo Accords. And supporting Oslo means supporting the division of powers on Areas A, B, and C. The squatters in this particular area are just that --- squatters. And they have permanent homes in legal towns with all the amenities provided in legal towns: water, electricity, roads, etc.
Anybody who cares about Israel should join in the struggle against the lies.
OK So I looked it up and indeed it is in the Hebron area. I used to drive through this area in the late 90s and early 2000s. I live in Jerusalem and my mother lived in Arad so this was the shortest route from my home to my mother's. I remember the cave dwellings there and the people herding their sheep. It was like driving into biblical times. This area is near Yatta. These were very simple people who had no involvement in politics or terror. Their homes were simple, often additions built at their cave entrance. I visited these people with an Israeli-Palestinian group that brought them water and food and clothes. Their wells had been destroyed by the army. settlers began herding their sheep in the area and took over the one remaining well. Whatever their legal status was, these people lived there for ages and were expelled because of Sharon's plans. It was probably declared a miitary zone for that reason.
you know, if they had been offered some kind of compensation it would have looked different. The people I met had literally nothing but the clothes on their backs. I am not proud of what was done to them.
The cave dwellings were temporary dwellings during the growing season or when they were grazing far from their “mother villages” as was noted by the judges in the court verdict. I have visited the area several times and researched it. You brought them water as part of propaganda against Israel (see the link below).
They had running water in their homes in the legal towns in which they lived permanently.
That is where they are going back to.
They DID NOT live there for ages and they were not expelled because of Sharon’s plans. How many times must I repeat that? The land was Israeli public land under full Israeli control. Israeli could have just as easily set it up to be a public park but they set it up as a firing zone, before which nobody lived there. Even with that, they allowed the Arabs to graze and plant seasonal crops on Shabbat and Jewish holidays and in coordination with the IDF so that they could do so safely. That is more than the IDF had to do.
The settlers living in communities in the area were there legally – these were not hilltop youth illegal outposts.
I also studied the water issue and if you are interested, you can read about it here: https://ozsheri.substack.com/p/body-of-water-lies-icj-says-israel
Isn't a fictional film ineligible for the Best Documentary category?
should have been
Truth against lies.