Sadly, the world doesn't care. If Israel were to suddenly vanish tomorrow, there would be a collective cheer across the planet. So, they don't want us in Israel. Judging by the number and size of the protests across the West, they clearly don't want us there, either.
You are not “supposed to go” anywhere. Just reach a peace settlement with the Palestinians which would go a long way towards defusing and removing the support and rationale for the aggression
"Just" reach a peace settlement? What was Oslo? An agreement that was supposed to lead to peace within five years. It lead to intifada and ongoing terror. Do you not know that to the Palestinian Arab leaders the occupation covers the entire land of Israel? I am an occupier in Haifa, according to them. They openly say that they want us all dead or gone -- how do you compromise with that? The rationale for their aggression is because we are Jews who cling to our sovereignty and do not agree to return to dhimmi status.
I read your blog post. There is a lot I could critique in it. But let's just do with the title -- you refer to a hundred-year war. How ironic. You do realize that 100 years ago, there was no modern State of Israel, right? The conflict is not over land, it is a religious war.
Just because they perceive it as foreign colonisation does not make it so. When an indigenous population returns to the homeland, it is not foreign colonisation.
Just how do you explain the fact that the UN determined that a Palestinian Arab refugee was anyone who resided in the land from the year 1946? Why 1946? So Arab workers brought in before 1946 to work the land for absentee Ottoman landowners, or those who migrated there for the economic advantages present as the Jews grew in number, are considered .... what would you call them?
And how do you distinguish an extremist Palestinian Arab from one who does not seek the destruction of the Jewish state? Have you examined the surveys coming out of the PA regarding their views?
And how was Oslo sabotaged by right-wing Israels? Examples, please.
This article does not give examples of right-wing sabotage of Oslo. I asked for an example, not a treatise,
Furthermore, it calls Israel an occupier, which it is not, regardless of how many people, countries, organizations, say it is. If Israel DID occupy the so-called west bank and Gaza, once Oslo was signed by both Israel and the PLO, the occupation ended when the PA took over administration of the areas they agreed to in the contract they signed called the Oslo Accords. Therefore, to continue calling it an occupation is just wrong and does nothing to further discussion of the issue.
The true story, journalistically and historically, is that Oslo failed because the settlers and their helpers succeeded in foiling it, together with their Palestinian terrorist partners. Baruch Goldstein, Yigal Amir and all the suicide bombers on the other side.
Very interesting that when Israelis settle on land the PLO signed a contract giving them exclusive rights to, it is considered extremist and harmful to ongoing negotiations.
If only it was that easy. Hamas, which is supported by the majority of Palestinians, is open about the fact that it does not want ANY Jews in Israel. In fact, it doesn't want any Jews anywhere. How therefore can there be peace with it? As well, and has been chanted frequently in the protests in Canada, the UK and the US, "We don't want no two state; we want all of '48" (i.e., no more Israel). Again, how can you have peace with people who don't think that Israel has a right to exist at all?
If what you say is correct, then there will never be peace between Israel and the Palestinians. History has demonstrated over and over that no country can exist in a state of siege forever. If there will not be peace then most of those who can will leave Israel. The elites who can will leave. The high tech miracle will be over.
If you really think that there is no chance of peace because they will not make peace with you, then you should start planning to leave.
That is exactly my fear. To my point, how do you make peace with "the other side" when the other side's only position is "You either leave or we kill you"? Israel could walk away from every single inch of Gaza (it already did that, of course) and the West Bank, INCLUDING East Jerusalem, and Hamas would still never accept that. So, what exactly is Israel supposed to do?
Sadly, the world doesn't care. If Israel were to suddenly vanish tomorrow, there would be a collective cheer across the planet. So, they don't want us in Israel. Judging by the number and size of the protests across the West, they clearly don't want us there, either.
So, where exactly are we supposed to go?
That is true. We just have to do what we have to do.
Exactly.
You are not “supposed to go” anywhere. Just reach a peace settlement with the Palestinians which would go a long way towards defusing and removing the support and rationale for the aggression
https://blogs.timesofisrael.com/for-peace-and-security-end-the-hundred-year-war/
"Just" reach a peace settlement? What was Oslo? An agreement that was supposed to lead to peace within five years. It lead to intifada and ongoing terror. Do you not know that to the Palestinian Arab leaders the occupation covers the entire land of Israel? I am an occupier in Haifa, according to them. They openly say that they want us all dead or gone -- how do you compromise with that? The rationale for their aggression is because we are Jews who cling to our sovereignty and do not agree to return to dhimmi status.
I read your blog post. There is a lot I could critique in it. But let's just do with the title -- you refer to a hundred-year war. How ironic. You do realize that 100 years ago, there was no modern State of Israel, right? The conflict is not over land, it is a religious war.
Exactly, it is an ongoing war with the Palestinians who have been resisting what they perceive as foreign colonisation for more than 100 years.
There is no military solution to the conflict.
Just because they perceive it as foreign colonisation does not make it so. When an indigenous population returns to the homeland, it is not foreign colonisation.
Just how do you explain the fact that the UN determined that a Palestinian Arab refugee was anyone who resided in the land from the year 1946? Why 1946? So Arab workers brought in before 1946 to work the land for absentee Ottoman landowners, or those who migrated there for the economic advantages present as the Jews grew in number, are considered .... what would you call them?
By the way, Oslo was sabotaged by both extremist Palestinians and right-wing Israelis.
And how do you distinguish an extremist Palestinian Arab from one who does not seek the destruction of the Jewish state? Have you examined the surveys coming out of the PA regarding their views?
And how was Oslo sabotaged by right-wing Israels? Examples, please.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/sep/12/oslo-israel-reneged-colonial-palestine
You give me Avi Shlaim? This seriously affects your credibility with me. Here is Avi Shlaim:
https://www.commentary.org/articles/jonathan-leaf/avi-shlaim-anti-israel-revisionist-history/
https://foreignpolicy.com/2023/09/13/oslo-accords-1993-anniversary-israel-palestine-peace-process-lessons/
This article does not give examples of right-wing sabotage of Oslo. I asked for an example, not a treatise,
Furthermore, it calls Israel an occupier, which it is not, regardless of how many people, countries, organizations, say it is. If Israel DID occupy the so-called west bank and Gaza, once Oslo was signed by both Israel and the PLO, the occupation ended when the PA took over administration of the areas they agreed to in the contract they signed called the Oslo Accords. Therefore, to continue calling it an occupation is just wrong and does nothing to further discussion of the issue.
The true story, journalistically and historically, is that Oslo failed because the settlers and their helpers succeeded in foiling it, together with their Palestinian terrorist partners. Baruch Goldstein, Yigal Amir and all the suicide bombers on the other side.
https://english.elpais.com/international/2023-09-14/yossi-beilin-the-israeli-right-has-actively-worked-to-undermine-the-oslo-accords.html
Very interesting that when Israelis settle on land the PLO signed a contract giving them exclusive rights to, it is considered extremist and harmful to ongoing negotiations.
https://blogs.timesofisrael.com/forget-about-the-past-what-about-the-future/
Sorry, it would take me a book to critique this blog post
If only it was that easy. Hamas, which is supported by the majority of Palestinians, is open about the fact that it does not want ANY Jews in Israel. In fact, it doesn't want any Jews anywhere. How therefore can there be peace with it? As well, and has been chanted frequently in the protests in Canada, the UK and the US, "We don't want no two state; we want all of '48" (i.e., no more Israel). Again, how can you have peace with people who don't think that Israel has a right to exist at all?
If what you say is correct, then there will never be peace between Israel and the Palestinians. History has demonstrated over and over that no country can exist in a state of siege forever. If there will not be peace then most of those who can will leave Israel. The elites who can will leave. The high tech miracle will be over.
If you really think that there is no chance of peace because they will not make peace with you, then you should start planning to leave.
https://blogs.timesofisrael.com/should-we-stay-or-should-we-go-2/
That is exactly my fear. To my point, how do you make peace with "the other side" when the other side's only position is "You either leave or we kill you"? Israel could walk away from every single inch of Gaza (it already did that, of course) and the West Bank, INCLUDING East Jerusalem, and Hamas would still never accept that. So, what exactly is Israel supposed to do?
Well if your starting point is that Hamas is the Palestinians then there is no hope and you should start planning your escape.
But… if the Palestinians are not Hamas then you have to find a way to make peace with them.
It really is as simple as that.
Hamas has the support of the majority of Palestinians. That ends the discussion, I fear.