Thank you! I believe the Arab world understands that Gaza is the most radicalized population on earth, after nearly two decades of Hamas rule. What they know they can’t say publicly. The Arabs understand exactly Hamas’s strategy.
The IDF found hundreds of tunnels between Sinai and Rafah.
How do you think that Hamas and Islamic Jihad succeeded to smuggle such huge qualities of arms and ammunition? Some of these tunnels were big enough for vehicles.
And yet their lack of not wanting instability forces upon the Israelis the blatant responsibility the Arabs have for what they caused at Israel’s foundation: the oxymoron of the perpetual refugee.
I say Egypt and Jordan must pay a price for this: chaos in THEIR streets instead of Israel’s.
I wonder if Israel and the US should explicitly adopt the name "Hong Kong Plan" for Palestinian limited sovereignty to compare it to China's administration of Hong Kong and differentiate it from the "bantustan" policies of South Africa.
the problem with using Puerto Rico as an example is that Puerto Rico was a colony of Spain that became a possession of the (evil and imperialist) US, so it's analogous to a bantustan and its situation reinforces the Palestinian statehood argument. Hong Kong, as an administrative region of the (progressive, benificent) People's Republic of China, is the kind of analogy you want to draw: if China can maintain effective control over Hong Kong while giving its people limited sovereignty, then there should be no problem with Israel doing the same for 'Palestine.'
Thanks. This is the first time I’ve heard the argument against Puerto Rico and in favour of a Hong Kong situation. I’ll have to explore this further. If you have links you think I should look at, please send them to me in a private message or email.
Thank you for the article and the review of what is actually going on there, rather than the hype of the mainstream media here in the Collective West. I look forward to your piece on the US/EU. This article might help as well.
They are afraid of their own shadows and, perhaps, of their Muslim populations.
The article argues that Jordan and Egypt publicly support a Palestinian state while quietly working to prevent it for reasons of internal stability, national identity, and border security.
If you're looking for an official government statement like “we oppose a Palestinian state,” you will not find one. But their actions speak louder than their slogans. And I gave examples in the article.
No, I’m not looking for an official statement, I’m just looking for some evidence. I’ve read the article again and I cannot see any evidence. Evidence does not have to be official statements.
Is your argument simply that Egypt and Jordan have been cooperating with Israel against Hamas therefore they must be opposed to the creation of a Palestinian state? Is that it?
I appreciate your persistence, but it seems we are reading the article very differently. I did not claim that cooperation with Israel alone proves opposition to Palestinian statehood. I pointed to behavioral patterns — such as border policies, treatment of Palestinians, and silent coordination with Israel — that reflect a deeper reluctance. If you still do not see evidence, we may simply disagree on what constitutes evidence in this context.
Thank you for the article. While I appreciate the evidence presented I disagree with your conclusion. What I think you show rather convincingly is that both Jordan and Egypt fear Palestinian radicalism and the impact it could have on their fragile societies. This does not translate into being against Palestinian statehood.
In fact the opposite could well be true. Palestinian statehood could theoretically serve as the pressure valve that relieves the pressure of Palestinian radicalism on Egyptian and Jordanian societies.
For the Egyptians a disarmed Palestinian state in the Gaza Strip is certainly preferable to a radicalized Hamastan. For the Jordanians a Palestinian state in the West Bank quiets its Palestinian population and removes the “Jordan is Palestine” threat to Hashemite control.
This is not to say that the Egyptians or the Jordanians are thrilled with the idea of a Palestinian state just that they are not as secretly dead set against the idea as your article would imply.
I see your point and it is an interesting perspective to consider. I wonder if, as opposed to becoming another failed state, it turned out successful, if that might not make Jordanians and Egyptians even more dissatisfied with their own countries.
I would not worry about that. My guess is that if Israel were to allow Palestinian state (which I don’t see happening any time soon) is that it would likely turn into another failed state even if it weren’t a threat to Israel.
It looks a lot like the people who have “skin in this game” ie control the territory broadly considered to be Palestine. Excluding of course the “useful fools” of western nations who make a nuisance of them selves there. Want any thing but a Palestine state carved out of their territory. As far as they are concerned Fuck Palestine. And they have good reasons for feeling this way.
Neither Jordan nor Egypt are democracies. Of course their rulers don’t want a Palestinian state - which would, in these days, inevitably have to be a democracy.
It didn’t give you what YOU wanted, but democracy is about giving the voters what they want for their state. Fatah etc were corrupted and agreed, basically, to keep Palestinians in line while settlements continued to expand. Was that really in the Palestinians’ best interest? That’s a hard point to argue.
Sheri Oz, thanks for these articles! Keep them coming!
Glad you appreciate them. Bunch more in the works.
Thank you! I believe the Arab world understands that Gaza is the most radicalized population on earth, after nearly two decades of Hamas rule. What they know they can’t say publicly. The Arabs understand exactly Hamas’s strategy.
https://open.substack.com/pub/thegoldenpill/p/hamas-is-mass-martyring-gaza?r=31tulb&utm_medium=ios
The IDF found hundreds of tunnels between Sinai and Rafah.
How do you think that Hamas and Islamic Jihad succeeded to smuggle such huge qualities of arms and ammunition? Some of these tunnels were big enough for vehicles.
And yet their lack of not wanting instability forces upon the Israelis the blatant responsibility the Arabs have for what they caused at Israel’s foundation: the oxymoron of the perpetual refugee.
I say Egypt and Jordan must pay a price for this: chaos in THEIR streets instead of Israel’s.
Thanks for providing excellent clarity.
Gaza was offered to Egypt during peace settlement when Sinai was returned to Egypt .
Wonder if Egypt knew that Palestinians were problem
I remember being worried when Begin tried hard to get Egypt to take Gaza and they held firm not to.
I wonder if Israel and the US should explicitly adopt the name "Hong Kong Plan" for Palestinian limited sovereignty to compare it to China's administration of Hong Kong and differentiate it from the "bantustan" policies of South Africa.
And I’m sure there are other examples out there. One that has been suggested is Puerto Rico
the problem with using Puerto Rico as an example is that Puerto Rico was a colony of Spain that became a possession of the (evil and imperialist) US, so it's analogous to a bantustan and its situation reinforces the Palestinian statehood argument. Hong Kong, as an administrative region of the (progressive, benificent) People's Republic of China, is the kind of analogy you want to draw: if China can maintain effective control over Hong Kong while giving its people limited sovereignty, then there should be no problem with Israel doing the same for 'Palestine.'
Thanks. This is the first time I’ve heard the argument against Puerto Rico and in favour of a Hong Kong situation. I’ll have to explore this further. If you have links you think I should look at, please send them to me in a private message or email.
Sent you links via Facebook Messenger
Thank you for the article and the review of what is actually going on there, rather than the hype of the mainstream media here in the Collective West. I look forward to your piece on the US/EU. This article might help as well.
They are afraid of their own shadows and, perhaps, of their Muslim populations.
https://spectator.org/european-and-canadian-statesmen-prepare-to-reward-hamas-for-the-oct-7-attacks/?lh_aid=29191&lh_cid=nqv7g9agvt&lh_em=nachteul%40yahoo.com&di=e1af43086b1e205daf69431598aa9781
Thank you for this. I have added this source to my upcoming article.
You are welcome
There is not one scrap of evidence in this article to justify the headline that Jordan and Egypt are opposed to Palestinian statehood.
Thanks for reading.
The article argues that Jordan and Egypt publicly support a Palestinian state while quietly working to prevent it for reasons of internal stability, national identity, and border security.
If you're looking for an official government statement like “we oppose a Palestinian state,” you will not find one. But their actions speak louder than their slogans. And I gave examples in the article.
No, I’m not looking for an official statement, I’m just looking for some evidence. I’ve read the article again and I cannot see any evidence. Evidence does not have to be official statements.
Is your argument simply that Egypt and Jordan have been cooperating with Israel against Hamas therefore they must be opposed to the creation of a Palestinian state? Is that it?
I appreciate your persistence, but it seems we are reading the article very differently. I did not claim that cooperation with Israel alone proves opposition to Palestinian statehood. I pointed to behavioral patterns — such as border policies, treatment of Palestinians, and silent coordination with Israel — that reflect a deeper reluctance. If you still do not see evidence, we may simply disagree on what constitutes evidence in this context.
This is essential reading for anyone who wants to understand how the Middle East really works.
Jordan is the Palestinian state. See the partition agreement.
Thank you for the article. While I appreciate the evidence presented I disagree with your conclusion. What I think you show rather convincingly is that both Jordan and Egypt fear Palestinian radicalism and the impact it could have on their fragile societies. This does not translate into being against Palestinian statehood.
In fact the opposite could well be true. Palestinian statehood could theoretically serve as the pressure valve that relieves the pressure of Palestinian radicalism on Egyptian and Jordanian societies.
For the Egyptians a disarmed Palestinian state in the Gaza Strip is certainly preferable to a radicalized Hamastan. For the Jordanians a Palestinian state in the West Bank quiets its Palestinian population and removes the “Jordan is Palestine” threat to Hashemite control.
This is not to say that the Egyptians or the Jordanians are thrilled with the idea of a Palestinian state just that they are not as secretly dead set against the idea as your article would imply.
I see your point and it is an interesting perspective to consider. I wonder if, as opposed to becoming another failed state, it turned out successful, if that might not make Jordanians and Egyptians even more dissatisfied with their own countries.
I would not worry about that. My guess is that if Israel were to allow Palestinian state (which I don’t see happening any time soon) is that it would likely turn into another failed state even if it weren’t a threat to Israel.
It looks a lot like the people who have “skin in this game” ie control the territory broadly considered to be Palestine. Excluding of course the “useful fools” of western nations who make a nuisance of them selves there. Want any thing but a Palestine state carved out of their territory. As far as they are concerned Fuck Palestine. And they have good reasons for feeling this way.
See also the recent $35bn gas deal between Israel & Egypt.
Neither Jordan nor Egypt are democracies. Of course their rulers don’t want a Palestinian state - which would, in these days, inevitably have to be a democracy.
I don't know why it would HAVE to be democratic. We saw how having elections in five years was part of the Oslo Accords and that didn't turn out.
It didn’t give you what YOU wanted, but democracy is about giving the voters what they want for their state. Fatah etc were corrupted and agreed, basically, to keep Palestinians in line while settlements continued to expand. Was that really in the Palestinians’ best interest? That’s a hard point to argue.
Then you should be reading my articles on silenced Palestinian voices.